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\nActually, IAAF allows the chasing of marks but it's USATF that elected to submit the team based on results up to and including the US Juniors:
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\nAll performances must be achieved during the period 1 October 2013 to 14 July 2014. Please note that the Final Entries deadline remains three Mondays before the first day of competition, i.e. 7 July 2014.
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\nBelf is probably capable of a sub-16:30. And she beat a 16:18 girl (who will be repping the US at World Jrs) by almost 43 seconds. I'm not debating whether or not she should be on the team, but rather whether or not, in the future, Team USA should be decided strictly by standards for events where the high school athletes don't have nearly the same opportunities as collegiates (5k, 10k, steeple, race walking, etc.) in the case of a high school athlete actually winning the event at nationals. Imagine if, instead of Belf, it was Cranny or Efraimson that tried for the 5k, and they won, but were left off the team because a collegiate who they beat by 40+ seconds at nationals had the opportunity to run the 5k during the season?
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\nSo would you recommend, anyone who wins the event is allowed to chase the standard. This isn't about USATF its about the IAAF, and most countries probably give their youngsters more 5k opportunities. The IAAF would need to change how standards are met. (with the exception of this year) The USA doesn't have the option to send someone who doesn't meet the standard, I think. Perhaps I am wrong.","date_added":"Jul 13th 2014, 3:56pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"MatthewXCountry","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=49498","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/MatthewXCountry.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1194309"},"1087513":{"pb_id":"49498","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1087513","comment_id":"1087513","member_id":"49498","comment":"
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\nI'm confused, I never said they did. I just said the field was weak, had it been strong enough the standard would have been met. My post absolutely did not imply any of these girls should go to worlds.","date_added":"Jul 13th 2014, 3:51pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"MatthewXCountry","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=49498","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/MatthewXCountry.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1194309"},"1087498":{"pb_id":"66023","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1087498","comment_id":"1087498","member_id":"66023","comment":"Jackson and Taylor were in the initial 4x400 relay pool for Daegu (Tony McQuay, Jeremy Wariner, Angelo Taylor, Bershawn Jackson, Greg Nixon, Jamaal Torrance, Michael Berry, Kerron Clement, Jeshua Anderson).
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\r\nFrom the 2013 Moscow selection procedures (1.j.) -- "Being entered as one of the six (6) relay team members does not guarantee that an athlete will participate in the relay. USATF may also designate any athlete who is a member of the 2013 World Championship team to compete in the relay events or to replace an athlete(s) that may become injured, or have other issues that would keep them from being able to compete on the relay team."
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\r\nIn other words, quite simply, if you're in another event already at the Championships, you're eligible for relay duty.","date_added":"Jul 13th 2014, 4:03am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"gmstats","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=66023","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/gmstats.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1457482"},"1087403":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1087403","comment_id":"1087403","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\nThe rules are the same at all IAAF levels. For example, here was the Relay pool for the USA team in the 4x400 team for the 2011 World Championships:
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\nMerritt, McQuay, Nixon, Torrence, Berry, Smith.
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\nThe Finals line-up was changed though with "Batman" Jackson, and Angelo Taylor inserted (400mH team members). They were eligible to run because they were on the team.
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\nIt wasn't looking like that good of a move for awhile, but in the end, Merritt found his way and the USA won Gold.
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\nI believe the same circumstances could come into play at World Juniors in a few weeks.
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\nI'm sure they were included in the relay pool, though. That's not the case with Friday.
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\nAgain, this is the relay pool for the Mens 4x100m: Bromell, Williams, Miller, Jernigan, Wells, Carlton Anumnu (the top 6 finishes in the 100m Finals).
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\nWhile it makes sense to simply use the top 6 finishes as a relay pool, it makes MORE sense to include a faster guy in the pool that is still on the team (as he qualified in the 200m, obviously). As it stands, they can't simply throw Friday into the race, because he isn't included in the relay pool.","date_added":"Jul 13th 2014, 2:05am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1087398":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1087398","comment_id":"1087398","member_id":"43715","comment":"Just because high schoolers rarely find 5k opportunities, doesn't mean they can't be competitive in a 5k (which is essentially what the rule becomes - if the championship race isn't fast enough for you to get the time there, you aren't allowed to compete). That's very different from almost every other event, where kids have had the opportunity to chase the time before they come to the meet (as the NCAA athletes always do).
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\nBelf is probably capable of a sub-16:30. And she beat a 16:18 girl (who will be repping the US at World Jrs) by almost 43 seconds. I'm not debating whether or not she should be on the team, but rather whether or not, in the future, Team USA should be decided strictly by standards for events where the high school athletes don't have nearly the same opportunities as collegiates (5k, 10k, steeple, race walking, etc.) in the case of a high school athlete actually winning the event at nationals. Imagine if, instead of Belf, it was Cranny or Efraimson that tried for the 5k, and they won, but were left off the team because a collegiate who they beat by 40+ seconds at nationals had the opportunity to run the 5k during the season?","date_added":"Jul 13th 2014, 1:50am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1087010":{"pb_id":"5929","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1087010","comment_id":"1087010","member_id":"5929","comment":"
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\nBolding is mine - those six athletes would appear to be the relay pool for each relay.
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\nI agree it's somewhat confusing. From what I've been told though, anyone can run the relay. Now whether they decide to use Trentavis in the 4x100 at some point will be interesting. They could, but at a cost.
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\nThe rules are the same at all IAAF levels. For example, here was the Relay pool for the USA team in the 4x400 team for the 2011 World Championships:
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\nMerritt, McQuay, Nixon, Torrence, Berry, Smith.
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\nThe Finals line-up was changed though with "Batman" Jackson, and Angelo Taylor inserted (400mH team members). They were eligible to run because they were on the team.
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\nIt wasn't looking like that good of a move for awhile, but in the end, Merritt found his way and the USA won Gold.
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\nI believe the same circumstances could come into play at World Juniors in a few weeks.","date_added":"Jul 12th 2014, 2:08am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-5929.png","pb_title":"DrBob","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=5929","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DrBobDP.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"2006"},"1086976":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086976","comment_id":"1086976","member_id":"45158","comment":"
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\n1. 9:39.7c\t Efraimson, Alexa (2015) (Camas, WA) -- 9:00.16m indoors
\n2. 9:50.10 \tKnights, Bethan (2014) (Northwood, CA)
\n3. 9:51.60c\tDebalsi, Hannah (2016) (Staples, CT) -- 10:09.08 2mile
\n4. 10:00.42\tPaladino, Amelia (2014) (University, WV)
\n5. 10:00.4a\tFeeny, Sarah (2014) (Ogden, UT) - 10:13.86 at 4,000+ft altitude
\n6. 10:00.5a\tCranny, Elise (2014) (Niwot, CO) - 10:17.48 at 5,000+ft altitude
\n7. 10:03.02\tJenks, Stephanie (2016) (Linn-Mar, IA)
\n8. 10:03.66\tOstrander, Allie (2015) (Kenai Central, AK)
\n9. 10:04.2c\tBarrett, Tessa (2014) (Abington Heights, PA) - 10:08.05 2mile indoor
\n10. 10:04.81\tMaxwell, Anna (2014) (San Lorenzo Valley, CA)
\n11. 10:06.3c\tDonaghu, Ella (2016) (Grant, OR) - 9:24.86 3000m
\n12. 10:07.36\tBelf, Audrey (2015) (Ernest W. Seaholm, MI) - 10:10.90 2mile indoor
\n13. 10:07.52\tBaxter, Sarah (2014) (Simi Valley, CA)
\n14. 10:08.16 Alcorta, Caroline (2014) (West Springfield, VA)
\n15. 10:08.2c\tHeffernan, Annie (2015) (St. Ursula Academy, OH) - 10:12.02 2mile indoor
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\nAs for Friday. I don't understand why he isn't eligible for the relay given his win in the 200m.
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\nBut the majority of those other girls opted not to race and try to qualify. Therefore for the sake of making a US team they don't "exist".","date_added":"Jul 11th 2014, 8:58pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"1086967":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086967","comment_id":"1086967","member_id":"3300","comment":"
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\nNow the strategy? When and where do we put the best team forward for a medal.
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\nThat would appear to be incorrect - also from a good source, the IAAF quoted above. Here it is again: "There are no entry standards for the Relays so every Member may enter one team for each relay race, composed by a maximum of six athletes<\/strong>. Any four athletes among those entered for the competition (i.e. WJC, in this case), whether for the relay or for any other event, may then be used in the composition of the team for the first round."
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\nBolding is mine - those six athletes would appear to be the relay pool for each relay.","date_added":"Jul 11th 2014, 6:41pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1086961":{"pb_id":"5929","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086961","comment_id":"1086961","member_id":"5929","comment":"From a good source, if you are on the team, irregardless of event, you can run a relay. Period.
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\nNow the strategy? When and where do we put the best team forward for a medal.","date_added":"Jul 11th 2014, 4:42pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-5929.png","pb_title":"DrBob","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=5929","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DrBobDP.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"2006"},"1086955":{"pb_id":"49498","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086955","comment_id":"1086955","member_id":"49498","comment":"In my opinion, for distance events the 1500, 3000, and 5000 should have standards for similar distances. For example the 1500 should also include standards for the 1600 and the mile, and the 3000 and 5000 should also allow 3200 and 2 mile marks. That said, while Belf did great, she probably isn't even in the top 10 high school distance runners right now. If all the top high schoolers ran that race, the standard would have been achieved.
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\n1. 9:39.7c\t Efraimson, Alexa (2015) (Camas, WA) -- 9:00.16m indoors
\n2. 9:50.10 \tKnights, Bethan (2014) (Northwood, CA)
\n3. 9:51.60c\tDebalsi, Hannah (2016) (Staples, CT) -- 10:09.08 2mile
\n4. 10:00.42\tPaladino, Amelia (2014) (University, WV)
\n5. 10:00.4a\tFeeny, Sarah (2014) (Ogden, UT) - 10:13.86 at 4,000+ft altitude
\n6. 10:00.5a\tCranny, Elise (2014) (Niwot, CO) - 10:17.48 at 5,000+ft altitude
\n7. 10:03.02\tJenks, Stephanie (2016) (Linn-Mar, IA)
\n8. 10:03.66\tOstrander, Allie (2015) (Kenai Central, AK)
\n9. 10:04.2c\tBarrett, Tessa (2014) (Abington Heights, PA) - 10:08.05 2mile indoor
\n10. 10:04.81\tMaxwell, Anna (2014) (San Lorenzo Valley, CA)
\n11. 10:06.3c\tDonaghu, Ella (2016) (Grant, OR) - 9:24.86 3000m
\n12. 10:07.36\tBelf, Audrey (2015) (Ernest W. Seaholm, MI) - 10:10.90 2mile indoor
\n13. 10:07.52\tBaxter, Sarah (2014) (Simi Valley, CA)
\n14. 10:08.16 Alcorta, Caroline (2014) (West Springfield, VA)
\n15. 10:08.2c\tHeffernan, Annie (2015) (St. Ursula Academy, OH) - 10:12.02 2mile indoor
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\nAs for Friday. I don't understand why he isn't eligible for the relay given his win in the 200m.","date_added":"Jul 11th 2014, 3:02pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"MatthewXCountry","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=49498","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/MatthewXCountry.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1194309"},"1086710":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086710","comment_id":"1086710","member_id":"3300","comment":"
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\nAgreed. If they can't practice together they won't get the stick around the track and they'll be like...the senior 4x100s!","date_added":"Jul 10th 2014, 11:44pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"1086626":{"pb_id":"5929","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086626","comment_id":"1086626","member_id":"5929","comment":"The wording "first round"worries me Joe. Doesn't make much sense to have a relay team unless they practice together, compete together and feel like they are part of the team. It's one of the things we saw at the World Relays. Just not enough preparation during the given time-frame to really be at our best.","date_added":"Jul 10th 2014, 10:25pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-5929.png","pb_title":"DrBob","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=5929","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DrBobDP.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"2006"},"1086343":{"pb_id":"45597","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086343","comment_id":"1086343","member_id":"45597","comment":"from the IAAF manual -- "There are no entry standards for the Relays so every Member may enter one team for each relay race, composed by a maximum of six athletes. Any four athletes among those entered for the competition (i.e. WJC, in this case), whether for the relay or for any other event, may then be used in the composition of the team for the first round."","date_added":"Jul 10th 2014, 2:23am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":268596,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-45597.jpg","pb_title":"TrackCoachMJR","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45597","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45597","pb_wally_id":"1113787"},"1086341":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1086341","comment_id":"1086341","member_id":"3300","comment":"